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September 22, 2008

Snopes Clearly In The Tank for Obama

Well, I just suspected it before, but now I see it in truth. Snopes, known for its myth-busting abilities, has been blatantly “fact-checking” for Obama and McCain rumors. Trying to verify stories about McCain, Snopes has recently posted articles about what McCain considered rich and whether or not he was a true U.S. citizen, eligible to run as President of the United States because of where he was born.

Let’s start with McCain’s “eligibility” to run article:

The Natural

Claim: John McCain does not qualify as a natural-born citizen of the U.S. because he was born in Panama.

Status: Undetermined.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, July 2008]

“I am hearing talk that Senator John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States because he is not a natural-born citizen.”

Hmmm… didn’t they get the memo about the Panama Canal’s military installation constituting a U.S. Territory? How ridiculous is this?

Okay, so let’s move along. Next on the list in my weekly Snopes update email is whether or not Obama said he’d been to 57 states. Guess what Snopes said about that?

57 States

Claim: During a campaign stop, Barack Obama said that he had visited “fifty-seven states.”

Status: Multiple — see below.

I dunno about you, but my ears heard “57 states” over and over and over. But Snopes, eh, not so sure. According to Snopes, it really needed no further investigation, because it was obvious to them that it was easy to discern Obama’s intent:

“The actual intent behind Senator Obama’s misstatement is easy to discern without the need to invoke an obscure international organization. He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., “one left to go,” excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with “fifty” instead of “forty.” (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words “fifty” and “seven.”)

Yeah….right.

So today, in my Snopes email update, I just couldn’t stand it anymore. The latest “myth” to debunk was a questioner wondering whether McCain thinks being rich starts at $5 million. What do you think Snopes said about that? Hmmm… let’s see:

The Five Million Dollar Man

Claim: John McCain said he would define the income level that divides the middle class from the rich as $5 million.

Status: True.

Example: [Collected via e-mail, September 2008]

“I have heard many times that John McCain said (paraphrasing his comment, I’m sure) that the middle class includes people who make under $5 million. I am trying to find that IN PRINT to forward to relatives who say it is untrue.”

Even though later in the article they post the partial transcript where he says it, laughs, and then says it will probably be used against him, the status according to them is “true.” *sigh*

It’s official. After today I no longer believe anything that Snopes “debunks.” They are clearly in the tank for Obama. They should change their name from Snopes to Dopes.

  • http://libertarianobama.blogspot.com Mark

    The truth will always be “in the tank” against John McCain.

  • Patro

    Some people are saying that Obama said: If an abortion is administered in late gestation and the fetus is viable, the fetus should be terminated. Is this true?

    • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

      Not in those exact words, but yes he did. He voted against (the only senator to do so) the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, saying that if an abortion is botched, trying to save the baby's life would contradict the mother's “choice,” and would unduly burden another doctor who would be required to be summoned to help keep the baby alive.

      • conservative lies

        Ms – You lie, and you know it. On so many things – but on this one the truth is that the current law, which Obama fully supports, protects viable babies born alive during a botched abortion. The Born Alive act is based on the false premise that viable babies would be killed or left to die after botched abortions. (I'm not saying that there has NEVER been a disreputable doctor who has done so.) It is only non-viable and those truly not likely to survive who are in question. Non-viable means that the baby WILL NOT LIVE and it is absurd to think that we should take precious funds and expertise away from living babies to devote it to babies who definitely will die or are extremely likely to die. These judgments are not made lightly – any baby who can be saved, is. Obama has never supported the idea to let viable babies die after a botched abortion.

        • Kim

          I hate to tell you this, but non-viability babies and living babies are both LIVING babies. They were alive inside the womb, and they are alive outside the womb. ANd now, babies are viable at less than 20 weeks (I know of one who was born and lived at 19 weeks), when most abortions occur where the baby is born alive. Viability does not give us the right to determine that the bay should not be helped. Because Viablity is not a finite time period of gestation. Besides that, I know many people who are dying and they are no longer viable. Should we simply snuff them out as well?
          Oh, and your name say is all…”Conservative Lies.” Yeah, I believe everything YOU say is not biased. Just like the VERY liberal founders of Snopes can be trusted to not put a slant on their political finds. I used to trust Snopes as well. But it became very clear to me that they were biased as time went by. I want a non-partisan source for my information. SNopes is NOT that source. AnNd yes, I am a conservative, interested in the truth. THAT is why I am conservative. But politics aside, your total disrespect for human life disgusts me. If we conservatives lie (and not every conservative is honest), then people like you who think it is okay for a “non-viable” BABY to be left to die should be painted as partners in crime to murder.

  • http://s405.blogspot.com/ obarurnq

    This is old, but still sad, news. See some of Snopes' old excuses for Hillary Clinton, for example. … It's a shame because I have also used this site a lot. But, if it's anything political you can be sure their call will be biased as far left as possible.

  • p costello

    just had an e mail that stated that Obama when visitin Iraq said hold off on call the war that when he was pres he would do something about …second one of his chief advisors is constantly in touch with the terrorists so he was let go because this was uncovered where does his money come from? subversives?? his wife's boss is from Iran lots of questions

    • Sara

      You ought to find a better source for your informaton than forwarded emails. They aren't considered reliable sources. When you get them, check snopes.com, factcheck.org, or one of the many other sites that check the truthfulness of those emails and the other rumors that circulate.

      What you should be looking for is full quotes with full context and second or third sources (not other emails) that support the allegations being made. Don't be duped by people spreading untruths with a quick click of their mouse.

    • Sara

      Hey, p, I got some answers for you.

      1. According to an article by Amir Taheri (an Iranian born neoconservative journalist and author) Obama did try to delay the negotiation to remove troops from Iraq. Because of his right leanings, Taheri presents the request in strong terms. Nevertheless the idea that lame duck officials with less than six months in office should not be the ones to make decisions that bind any incoming administration is not unique to Obama.

      “According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.

      'He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview.

      Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops – and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.'” http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinio…

      2. Michelle Obama was hired by Valerie Jarrett back in 1990 to work in the office of the mayor of Chicago. Ms Jarrett was indeed born in Iran. Her father was running a hospital for poor children. Both of her parents are American. Neither Ms Jarrett nor Michelle Obama work there any more. In fact, Michelle Obama isn't employed.
      From Wikipedia “Valerie Bowman was born on November 14, 1956 in Shiraz, Iran, where her father, Dr. James Bowman, ran a hospital for poor children. Her father, a pathologist and geneticist, is Professor Emeritus in Pathology and Medicine, University of Chicago. Her mother, Barbara Bowman, is an early childhood education expert and co-founder of the Erikson Institute for child development. Her maternal grandfather, Robert Taylor was the head of the Chicago Housing Authority in the 1940s. At age 5, the family moved to London for one year, then returned to Chicago in 1963.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Jarrett

      I can't decypher exactly what your other allegations relate to. With a little more information, I could probably track down the seed of truth in every allegation, just like I did with these two.

      • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

        If you're looking for the truth about anything, don't count on Wikipedia. It's not necessarily known as a 100% credible source for anything.

        • Sara

          Compared to forwarded emails, Wiki is a very reliable source.

          Wiki is well footnoted. Check the footnotes if you don't believe what's posted in the article.

          In this case, assure yourself that they didn't err about who the Jarrett's parents are and why they were in Iran.

        • Sara

          I forgot to mention that Wiki is where the original information came from that Jarrett was born in Iran. The person who wrote the piece which was or became the forwarded email flat states that s/he used Wiki as the source. Unfortunately, s/he used Wiki in a misleading way. I only provided all the information, not a bit gleaned to cast doubt and/or be sensational.

  • jeanette

    sick of hearing obama character assassinations . how about a marine who constantly brags about being a pow. i had friends who died in nam. i also have 2 sons in the military. they do not behave the way john mccain does. thats for sure.

    • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

      And just how did I assassinate his character? You must be a Kos Kid…you don't know how to use mixed upper/lower case letters.

  • Sara

    I have to wonder if you are capable of understanding the information post on the snopes site or if your apparent ignorance is a put on.

    McCain's citizenship is indeed questionable because the framers of the Constitution failed to define “natural born citizen”, just as snopes states. And they go on to say that denying him the right to run for or be President because of this failure would be just plain wrong which reflects the views of the overwhelming majority of Americans.

    You can't possibly believe that any politician running for President doesn't know how many states there are and that it just wasn't a blip in Obama's speech. You can't be that dumb, you have to be acting.

    McCain said it. That makes it true that he said it. If you are questioning if he meant it, well, his saying that it will probably be used against him is an indication that he believed it. (Interesting that you seem to believe that a laugh negates the meaning of what McCain said but you refuse to accept that Obama merely misspoke about the number of states.)

    snopes is not clearly in the tank for Obama, based on your ridiculous examples but you are clearly drinking the right wing Kool Aide

  • Mike O.

    That does it for Snopes.

  • kjh

    That's because the comment about 5 million WAS “true”……Snopes ALWAYS puts True or False BASED on the actual “question”……as an Obama supporter, I was irritated at times about this, as well, in regard to a few things written about Obama. As you said…sometimes you have to read the entire article to get the full extent of the story and/or controversy. This goes for Fact Check as well. You people think that everyone and everything that states something you either don't agree with or something that calls out a falso claim that you enjoy spreading are all “in the tank” for Obama. I assume you DO admit that Fox News is “in the tank” for McCain or any and all Republicans?

    • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

      IF I accept your premise that Fox News was in the tank for McCain, then I would have to remind you that it would be the ONLY station that is. Obama has the market cornered with 99.9% of the other stations, so even if it WERE true about Fox (which it's not), Obama had more media support.

      Check out this ranking from the Project for Excellence in Journalism.
      http://www.journalism.org./node/13436
      I doubt you will, though, since you seem to like talking points so well.

  • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

    IF I accept your premise that Fox News was in the tank for McCain, then I would have to remind you that it would be the ONLY station that is. Obama has the market cornered with 99.9% of the other stations, so even if it WERE true about Fox (which it's not), Obama had more media support.

    Check out this ranking from the Project for Excellence in Journalism.
    http://www.journalism.org./node/13436
    I doubt you will, though, since you seem to like talking points so well.

  • BiLL

    GOT AN EMAIL THAT LISTS mS oBAMA’S STAFF MEMBERS AND HOW MUCH THEY ARE PAID .TRUE OR FALSE?

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