May 15, 2007

The Fair Tax Rally, Pre-Debate, in SC (VIDEO)

by MsUnderestimated — Categories: 2008 Campaign, FairTax, Good News!, Neal Boortz, Politics In General, Video97 Comments

Well, this is something I wish I could have attended, because I attended the first ever Fair Tax Rally in Gwinnett Co., GA. That event was nothing short of electrifying. According to the estimates, there were from 8,000 to 10,000 tonight at “the other event” in South Carolina, and we can only hope the politicians take note of what a whole lot of folks feel is very important.

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Another picture of the Fair Tax crowd at about 7:45 PM EDT

Dang, I wish I could have been there!!!

  • Cpl Frank

    Misunderestimated,
    I one thing I have that you don't have, is “Common Sense”!
    Here's my question for you Misunderestimated, If the Fair Tax is all about getting rid of the IRS,and making the government smaller,and less intusive into our lives,who's going to send out the tens of millions of checks each month on time? Who's going to track 5 year-old Johnny's $1.00 purchase of a candy bar,so he gets his refund at the first of the month? Who's going to verify all the purchases you make in cash,who's going to be prying into your checking accounts to see if your telling the truth about what you bought?
    It's all hog wash,pie-in-the-sky foolishness once you get past the giddiness of getting a check each and every month for the rest of your life!
    Inclosing ,what difference does it make where you get the Creative Loafing Paper, what was written there about your little god,Boortz was the truth,something that rarely, if ever comes out of his mouth!

  • Cpl Frank

    Misunderestimated,
    I one thing I have that you don’t have, is “Common Sense”!
    Here’s my question for you Misunderestimated, If the Fair Tax is all about getting rid of the IRS,and making the government smaller,and less intusive into our lives,who’s going to send out the tens of millions of checks each month on time? Who’s going to track 5 year-old Johnny’s $1.00 purchase of a candy bar,so he gets his refund at the first of the month? Who’s going to verify all the purchases you make in cash,who’s going to be prying into your checking accounts to see if your telling the truth about what you bought?
    It’s all hog wash,pie-in-the-sky foolishness once you get past the giddiness of getting a check each and every month for the rest of your life!
    Inclosing ,what difference does it make where you get the Creative Loafing Paper, what was written there about your little god,Boortz was the truth,something that rarely, if ever comes out of his mouth!

  • CK ROoF

    Cpl Frank:

    As one who works with the public and speaks publicly 200+ times a year, I'd like to point out one thing to you: A person in the right has no need of personal attack. You attack the fair tax program with a hypothetical situation for which you offer no solution. You attack the supporters of the fair tax program as worshippers of their “little god, Boortz.” This only hurts your credibility and portrays you as one who has a personal vendetta with Boortz. This does not help your case.

    I know nothing about the fair tax program. But, considering the exchange I've seen on this blog, I'm inclined to support it. Its supporters offer evidence upon which a person can make a rational decision. You, Cpl Frank, have offered only insults and a meaningless hypothetical situation. You have no credibility or believability in my sight.

  • CK ROoF

    Cpl Frank:

    As one who works with the public and speaks publicly 200+ times a year, I’d like to point out one thing to you: A person in the right has no need of personal attack. You attack the fair tax program with a hypothetical situation for which you offer no solution. You attack the supporters of the fair tax program as worshippers of their “little god, Boortz.” This only hurts your credibility and portrays you as one who has a personal vendetta with Boortz. This does not help your case.

    I know nothing about the fair tax program. But, considering the exchange I’ve seen on this blog, I’m inclined to support it. Its supporters offer evidence upon which a person can make a rational decision. You, Cpl Frank, have offered only insults and a meaningless hypothetical situation. You have no credibility or believability in my sight.

  • Cpl Frank

    CKROoF,
    You know nothing except what you've read here, and you are “INCLINED to support it”(your words)wow, talk about Blind Faith!
    It's supporters don't offer any “NEW” evidence. This Fair Tax scheme is driven by one thing, and one thing only, the possibility of monthly checks. What good is it in abolishing the IRS, if they can't deliver refund checks once a year? Now you want a new government or maybe Wall Street to deliver “Monthly Checks” to every single person who spends money in this Country? Until the questions are answered about how this program is going to be administrated, and by whom, it won't fly!
    As far as me having a solution to how over hundreds of millions of consumers are going to receive their monthly checks on time and to the correct address, I don't have a solution only have questions? Very few, if any persons bring up the payment question,I have.
    Why don't you call Boortz up on his show for his answer on that question? Boortz is always bellowing about Big Gov butting into his life, with a Fair Tax Law in place, government will know every single thing you do with “YOUR” money, from sunrise to sunset and in between,buying bubble gum, to multi million dollar Yachts. Is this what you want? Oh,that's right, You're inclined to support it”
    As far as me having a personal vendetta against Boortz's, vendetta no, but I will remind the anyone every chance I have,about Boortz's background! It is relevant here, as he Boortz says “Don't believe a word I say unless you know for sure that it is true”,or words to that effect!
    This Fair Tax, Pie-in-the-Sky pipe dream was around long before Boortz, starting beating his drum about it!

    CK ROoF, take some time and bone up on the Fair Tax and Boortz's background,you might actually learn things you didn't know,or didn't want to know!

  • Cpl Frank

    CKROoF,
    You know nothing except what you’ve read here, and you are “INCLINED to support it”(your words)wow, talk about Blind Faith!
    It’s supporters don’t offer any “NEW” evidence. This Fair Tax scheme is driven by one thing, and one thing only, the possibility of monthly checks. What good is it in abolishing the IRS, if they can’t deliver refund checks once a year? Now you want a new government or maybe Wall Street to deliver “Monthly Checks” to every single person who spends money in this Country? Until the questions are answered about how this program is going to be administrated, and by whom, it won’t fly!
    As far as me having a solution to how over hundreds of millions of consumers are going to receive their monthly checks on time and to the correct address, I don’t have a solution only have questions? Very few, if any persons bring up the payment question,I have.
    Why don’t you call Boortz up on his show for his answer on that question? Boortz is always bellowing about Big Gov butting into his life, with a Fair Tax Law in place, government will know every single thing you do with “YOUR” money, from sunrise to sunset and in between,buying bubble gum, to multi million dollar Yachts. Is this what you want? Oh,that’s right, You’re inclined to support it”
    As far as me having a personal vendetta against Boortz’s, vendetta no, but I will remind the anyone every chance I have,about Boortz’s background! It is relevant here, as he Boortz says “Don’t believe a word I say unless you know for sure that it is true”,or words to that effect!
    This Fair Tax, Pie-in-the-Sky pipe dream was around long before Boortz, starting beating his drum about it!

    CK ROoF, take some time and bone up on the Fair Tax and Boortz’s background,you might actually learn things you didn’t know,or didn’t want to know!

  • Troy Tarpley

    Ashford, it is semantics. But again, they don't pay taxes…individuals do. If you want to say it is passed on to the consumer, okay. But the consumer is an INDIVIDUAL. Again, I am the sole owner of my business which is a coporation. Four times a year, I (not someone else)pay taxes. MY corporation doen't pay them for me. I am the corporation. If I had a partner, WE would pay the taxes, because WE are the coporation. If I sell shares in my corporation and take on 100 partners, WE 100 would pay the taxes. It should be fairly simple to understand. However, you can use semantics too and say it is passed on to the consumer. But the consumer will only pay so much before your product or service becomes too expensive in their minds. Either way, the corporation is individuals and individuals pay the taxes under the umbrella of a corporation. Heck, let's change the term corporation to “business club”. Now, would you say business clubs pay taxes? Well, clubs are made of individuals. And if the club incurrs any expenses, like taxes, the members must pay them. Hmmm?

  • Troy Tarpley

    Pops, your wrong. Neal said he'd debate anybody, but not under their terms and conditions. If they want to ride his coat tail to get publicity (and he will bring it) they need to pay him for a speaking engagement. He can't accept every challenge from every pseudo local celebrity. He gets those challenges too often. I'm sure he has other responsibilities and a life. He said he'd debate the above mentioned in a public forum of their choice, when they want providing he has no other obligations and providing they pay his standard speaking fee. Fair enough. Otherwise, the above mentioned can argue their points amongst themselves, read the FairTax book, go to FairTax meetings to get answers or just keep fussing about something they can't intelligently tackle.

  • Troy Tarpley

    Ashford, it is semantics. But again, they don’t pay taxes…individuals do. If you want to say it is passed on to the consumer, okay. But the consumer is an INDIVIDUAL. Again, I am the sole owner of my business which is a coporation. Four times a year, I (not someone else)pay taxes. MY corporation doen’t pay them for me. I am the corporation. If I had a partner, WE would pay the taxes, because WE are the coporation. If I sell shares in my corporation and take on 100 partners, WE 100 would pay the taxes. It should be fairly simple to understand. However, you can use semantics too and say it is passed on to the consumer. But the consumer will only pay so much before your product or service becomes too expensive in their minds. Either way, the corporation is individuals and individuals pay the taxes under the umbrella of a corporation. Heck, let’s change the term corporation to “business club”. Now, would you say business clubs pay taxes? Well, clubs are made of individuals. And if the club incurrs any expenses, like taxes, the members must pay them. Hmmm?

  • Troy Tarpley

    Pops, your wrong. Neal said he’d debate anybody, but not under their terms and conditions. If they want to ride his coat tail to get publicity (and he will bring it) they need to pay him for a speaking engagement. He can’t accept every challenge from every pseudo local celebrity. He gets those challenges too often. I’m sure he has other responsibilities and a life. He said he’d debate the above mentioned in a public forum of their choice, when they want providing he has no other obligations and providing they pay his standard speaking fee. Fair enough. Otherwise, the above mentioned can argue their points amongst themselves, read the FairTax book, go to FairTax meetings to get answers or just keep fussing about something they can’t intelligently tackle.

  • Cpl Frank

    Troy,
    Try this out, for a intelligent conversation!
    A few Journalists that want to debate Boortz on neutral grounds live in Atlanta. Why should Boortz be paid anything to discuss his pet project in Atlanta? One would think he'd discuss it with anyone anywhere, anytime, even in a bathroom!
    The problem with Boortz is that he wants to control the questioning, and most important of all,the MIKE!
    The answer Boortz gave, quoting you, “He said he'd debate the above mentioned in a public forum, when he has no other obligations and providing they pay his standard speaking fee”.
    What a G. D. cop-out that statement is, but coming from Boortz, it's the story of his life!
    Why would anyone want to ride the coat-tails of a known liar,Chickenhawk,and faux college graduate? Boortz's coat tails would be the last place any respectful,honest person would want to be! If anything, other journalists would bring honesty into the discussion,something Boortz has never had come out of his big mouth!
    By the way Troy,how about you answering the question I asked CK ROoF,”Who or what non governmental agency is going to be responsible for issuing hundred of millions of checks, each and every month,on time ,with the right amounts due,to anyyone who buys anything in this Country,from bubble gum to Jet Airliners and beyond?” Can you answer that for me?

  • Cpl Frank

    Troy,
    Try this out, for a intelligent conversation!
    A few Journalists that want to debate Boortz on neutral grounds live in Atlanta. Why should Boortz be paid anything to discuss his pet project in Atlanta? One would think he’d discuss it with anyone anywhere, anytime, even in a bathroom!
    The problem with Boortz is that he wants to control the questioning, and most important of all,the MIKE!
    The answer Boortz gave, quoting you, “He said he’d debate the above mentioned in a public forum, when he has no other obligations and providing they pay his standard speaking fee”.
    What a G. D. cop-out that statement is, but coming from Boortz, it’s the story of his life!
    Why would anyone want to ride the coat-tails of a known liar,Chickenhawk,and faux college graduate? Boortz’s coat tails would be the last place any respectful,honest person would want to be! If anything, other journalists would bring honesty into the discussion,something Boortz has never had come out of his big mouth!
    By the way Troy,how about you answering the question I asked CK ROoF,”Who or what non governmental agency is going to be responsible for issuing hundred of millions of checks, each and every month,on time ,with the right amounts due,to anyyone who buys anything in this Country,from bubble gum to Jet Airliners and beyond?” Can you answer that for me?

  • Ashford Schwall

    Troy
    Yes troy it is sematics. I am not trying to argue with you at all but those are the terms used by economists. Businesses will never bear the burden of income taxes, they will always pass it on.

    Cpl Frank

    ”Who or what non governmental agency is going to be responsible for issuing hundred of millions of checks, each and every month,on time ,with the right amounts due,to anyyone who buys anything in this Country,from bubble gum to Jet Airliners and beyond?” Can you answer that for me?”

    What is left of the IRS or the SS amdinistration should have no trouble doing this. Remember, a citizen head of houshold must apply for it.

  • Ashford Schwall

    Troy
    Yes troy it is sematics. I am not trying to argue with you at all but those are the terms used by economists. Businesses will never bear the burden of income taxes, they will always pass it on.

    Cpl Frank

    ”Who or what non governmental agency is going to be responsible for issuing hundred of millions of checks, each and every month,on time ,with the right amounts due,to anyyone who buys anything in this Country,from bubble gum to Jet Airliners and beyond?” Can you answer that for me?”

    What is left of the IRS or the SS amdinistration should have no trouble doing this. Remember, a citizen head of houshold must apply for it.

  • Cpl Frank

    A.Schwall,
    Were you trying to be sarcastic ,when you said “What is left of the IRS or SS administration should have “NO TROUBLE” doing this?”

  • Cpl Frank

    A.Schwall,
    Were you trying to be sarcastic ,when you said “What is left of the IRS or SS administration should have “NO TROUBLE” doing this?”

  • Troy Tarpley

    Cpl, you said…”Why would anyone want to ride the coat-tails of a known liar,Chickenhawk,and faux college graduate? Boortz’s coat tails would be the last place any respectful,honest person would want to be!”

    There are many reasons LOTS of people would and DO ride his coat tails. It is obvious from all the knock off talk show host. Not that there is anything wrong with a knock off. Heck, I'm sure Boortz's creativity is not 100% his. Nobody's is. As for a liar. He does lie. He also admits it. His job is to entertain. That's what he's paid to do and he does it well. At the same time, he uses his privilage to speak to millions as an opportunity to push issues that mean a lot to him. Something everyone with that privilage does, whether they are Libertarian or something other.

    Faux college graduate? You got me there. I don't have a clue what you mean. As far as I knew, he graduated from a college and went on to practice law. Not that you have to graduate to do that. But, I thought I had heard him say or imply he'd graduated. There again though, he says he lies. :) Nonetheless, why would it matter? Really..why?

    Your last sentence is not true. You said “any” and there are “some” that want to and do ride his coat tails. Yes, some if not all are respectful and honest people.

    Cpl, if you are so against the FairTax, what do you suggest we change it to? Or do you think what the current system has morphed into and continues to is the best we could hope for? Come on, over 21 million dollars of research has been done on this, some of the best minds in the country support it and some of the best FairTax criticism has been squashed with math and facts? What does your research say? Where are your “never heard” questions or criticisms?

  • Troy Tarpley

    Cpl, I told you a little reading on your part would do you well. In less than two minutes I have found the answer to your very simple question. Page 3 of the following link to FairTax's site has your answer regarding administration.

    http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/FairTaxPrebateExplai

    Enjoy.

  • Troy Tarpley

    Cpl, you said…”Why would anyone want to ride the coat-tails of a known liar,Chickenhawk,and faux college graduate? Boortz’s coat tails would be the last place any respectful,honest person would want to be!”

    There are many reasons LOTS of people would and DO ride his coat tails. It is obvious from all the knock off talk show host. Not that there is anything wrong with a knock off. Heck, I’m sure Boortz’s creativity is not 100% his. Nobody’s is. As for a liar. He does lie. He also admits it. His job is to entertain. That’s what he’s paid to do and he does it well. At the same time, he uses his privilage to speak to millions as an opportunity to push issues that mean a lot to him. Something everyone with that privilage does, whether they are Libertarian or something other.

    Faux college graduate? You got me there. I don’t have a clue what you mean. As far as I knew, he graduated from a college and went on to practice law. Not that you have to graduate to do that. But, I thought I had heard him say or imply he’d graduated. There again though, he says he lies. :) Nonetheless, why would it matter? Really..why?

    Your last sentence is not true. You said “any” and there are “some” that want to and do ride his coat tails. Yes, some if not all are respectful and honest people.

    Cpl, if you are so against the FairTax, what do you suggest we change it to? Or do you think what the current system has morphed into and continues to is the best we could hope for? Come on, over 21 million dollars of research has been done on this, some of the best minds in the country support it and some of the best FairTax criticism has been squashed with math and facts? What does your research say? Where are your “never heard” questions or criticisms?

  • Troy Tarpley

    Cpl, I told you a little reading on your part would do you well. In less than two minutes I have found the answer to your very simple question. Page 3 of the following link to FairTax’s site has your answer regarding administration.

    http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/FairTaxPrebateExplained2007.pdf

    Enjoy.

  • Cpl Frank

    Troy,
    It's very obvious you never read John Sugg's articles about Boortz! He “NEVER GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE” as verified, by The Office of the Registrar at Texas A&M University!
    He also lied to the Selective Service while attending Texas A&M about his status as a student,then for years told anyone that would listen that he was 4-F,which he never was! Read John Sugg's articles on Boortz and his cowardly way, he avoided military service by lying, during the bloodiest years of the Vietnam War! By the way, this is also verified by a FOIA request that was sent to the Selective Service.
    As for Law School ,yes he did become a attorney,from a Law School that recently has just received “Provincial Accreditation”. That is until,'05 the Law School wasn't even recognized by the ABA. By the way Bortz could “ONLY” practice law in Georgia! In other words the “Night School” was a diploma mill!
    That's Boortz in a nut shell,wouldn't know the truth if he stepped on it,and it bit him!
    While I go re-read the article on rebates,I've only got one thing to say so far,if I can stop laughing long enough!The S S Administration is going to be in charge of sending out rebate checks and Administering this program!! A government agency to start with, that can't even answer it's phones on a daily basis!
    Troy,I've got a bridge for sale in New York City for sale,want to buy it,cheap? What part of Boortz's coat tail are you attached too?

  • Cpl Frank

    Troy,
    It’s very obvious you never read John Sugg’s articles about Boortz! He “NEVER GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE” as verified, by The Office of the Registrar at Texas A&M University!
    He also lied to the Selective Service while attending Texas A&M about his status as a student,then for years told anyone that would listen that he was 4-F,which he never was! Read John Sugg’s articles on Boortz and his cowardly way, he avoided military service by lying, during the bloodiest years of the Vietnam War! By the way, this is also verified by a FOIA request that was sent to the Selective Service.
    As for Law School ,yes he did become a attorney,from a Law School that recently has just received “Provincial Accreditation”. That is until,’05 the Law School wasn’t even recognized by the ABA. By the way Bortz could “ONLY” practice law in Georgia! In other words the “Night School” was a diploma mill!
    That’s Boortz in a nut shell,wouldn’t know the truth if he stepped on it,and it bit him!
    While I go re-read the article on rebates,I’ve only got one thing to say so far,if I can stop laughing long enough!The S S Administration is going to be in charge of sending out rebate checks and Administering this program!! A government agency to start with, that can’t even answer it’s phones on a daily basis!
    Troy,I’ve got a bridge for sale in New York City for sale,want to buy it,cheap? What part of Boortz’s coat tail are you attached too?

  • Fred Lemson

    Troy,
    Why don't you answer Cpl. Franks question?

  • Fred Lemson

    Troy,
    Why don’t you answer Cpl. Franks question?

  • http://www.halopages.net CK

    Fred,
    Troy did answer the question, in case you missed it.

    Cpl,
    You're still attacking Boortz as if that's going completely to destroy the fair tax program. I don't honestly care who sends out the rebate checks. The agency who does it is irrelevant. You still haven't delved into the fair tax plan enough to answer it as a plan. All you can do is point to something you believe to be hypothetically impossible and then make fun of Boortz. That's not the way to make a point. It is the way to ruin your own credibility.

    Who cares about Boortz? I don't. So what if he didn't graduate from college. I don't have a B.S. degree either. Does that make me incapable of understanding the fair tax plan? I don't support the fair tax plan because of Boortz. I support it because, after reading up on it, it seems to be a much better plan than the current nightmare.

    If you have something to say about the fair tax plan itself (besides your hypothetical situations) then say it. Otherwise, go bash Boortz somewhere else. The fact that you have to bash Boortz shows just how little you really do understand about the fair tax plan.

  • http://www.halopages.net CK

    Fred,
    Troy did answer the question, in case you missed it.

    Cpl,
    You’re still attacking Boortz as if that’s going completely to destroy the fair tax program. I don’t honestly care who sends out the rebate checks. The agency who does it is irrelevant. You still haven’t delved into the fair tax plan enough to answer it as a plan. All you can do is point to something you believe to be hypothetically impossible and then make fun of Boortz. That’s not the way to make a point. It is the way to ruin your own credibility.

    Who cares about Boortz? I don’t. So what if he didn’t graduate from college. I don’t have a B.S. degree either. Does that make me incapable of understanding the fair tax plan? I don’t support the fair tax plan because of Boortz. I support it because, after reading up on it, it seems to be a much better plan than the current nightmare.

    If you have something to say about the fair tax plan itself (besides your hypothetical situations) then say it. Otherwise, go bash Boortz somewhere else. The fact that you have to bash Boortz shows just how little you really do understand about the fair tax plan.

  • Fred Lemson

    Ck,
    What I do understand is that no one has addressed the question of who is going to administer this Pie-in-the-Sky Pipe Dream!
    Do you actually believe that the S S Adminstration can handle processing hundreds of millions of checks each month, on time, with the proper amount that is due to each persons who applies?
    Your remark that you “don't care who sends out the checks each month,and that the agency is irrevelant”,speaks much about your intelligence!
    This Fair Tax Scheme is a Good Idea and I agree ,but that's about as far as it will go,in other words, “Show me the money”!
    And about Boortz,keep listening to his pipe dreams,but check out everything he says!
    You're right, I don't have to continually bash Boortz,but when a known liar is talking about my money,sending it to Washington,then expecting a check each month,on time,with the proper amount of rebate due,with his background I believe that the Fair Tax Scheme would be better off if a known liar wasn't leading the way!

  • Fred Lemson

    Ck,
    What I do understand is that no one has addressed the question of who is going to administer this Pie-in-the-Sky Pipe Dream!
    Do you actually believe that the S S Adminstration can handle processing hundreds of millions of checks each month, on time, with the proper amount that is due to each persons who applies?
    Your remark that you “don’t care who sends out the checks each month,and that the agency is irrevelant”,speaks much about your intelligence!
    This Fair Tax Scheme is a Good Idea and I agree ,but that’s about as far as it will go,in other words, “Show me the money”!
    And about Boortz,keep listening to his pipe dreams,but check out everything he says!
    You’re right, I don’t have to continually bash Boortz,but when a known liar is talking about my money,sending it to Washington,then expecting a check each month,on time,with the proper amount of rebate due,with his background I believe that the Fair Tax Scheme would be better off if a known liar wasn’t leading the way!

  • CK

    Fred,

    You said:

    “Your remark that you “don’t care who sends out the checks each month,and that the agency is irrevelant”,speaks much about your intelligence!”

    This is exactly the kind of nonsense that ruins your credibility. You have to stoop to insulting my intelligence in order to bolster your case. Maybe the SSA can administer the checks and maybe they can't. The point is, you don't know they can't. You just attack attack attack.

    When I said that it is irrelevant who sends the checks, here is what I meant: I trust that those who will (hopefully) put this into law will find a way to get it done. If that means using the SSA or some other existing or new agency then fine by me. I really don't care who sends the checks.

    The problem with your irresponsible negativity is that it does not offer any solutions. It also causes you to become very negative in how you respond to others which just comes off making you look little and mean. I say this to try to help you. If you want to be part of a constructive conversation then offer solutions, not just problems.

  • CK

    Fred,

    You said:

    “Your remark that you “don’t care who sends out the checks each month,and that the agency is irrevelant”,speaks much about your intelligence!”

    This is exactly the kind of nonsense that ruins your credibility. You have to stoop to insulting my intelligence in order to bolster your case. Maybe the SSA can administer the checks and maybe they can’t. The point is, you don’t know they can’t. You just attack attack attack.

    When I said that it is irrelevant who sends the checks, here is what I meant: I trust that those who will (hopefully) put this into law will find a way to get it done. If that means using the SSA or some other existing or new agency then fine by me. I really don’t care who sends the checks.

    The problem with your irresponsible negativity is that it does not offer any solutions. It also causes you to become very negative in how you respond to others which just comes off making you look little and mean. I say this to try to help you. If you want to be part of a constructive conversation then offer solutions, not just problems.

  • Fred Lemson

    CK,
    Your second paragraph says it all!I wasn't insulting your intelligence,as it is obvious you have very little, or none at all! Talk about “Blind Faith” in a government that can't even pay the military disabled on time,one that runs on secrecy and black ops! You're the Posterboy for those who are jumping on this bandwagon,one that's that's loaded with dynamite and heading off a cliff!
    You're all gung ho about a new tax system, being offered to you by a carnival-barker type huckster,who feeds off the dumb and uninformed,who love being led around, like cattle to slaughter!
    The only way the Fair Tax will work,and have the support of the people is if their monthly checks are delivered to them on time,each and every month, with the correct amount due! That's it,plain and simple!
    How are you going to like paying somewhere between 27-35 cents,(because it's not known what the percentage rate actually is) on each and every purchase. Then you wait for months for what-ever amount of rebate, the computer prints out? Each month your check will be different,depending on how much you spend or don't spend!Call/write boortz and ask what the tax rate is going to be,he doesn't know,but it will be higher than what he says for sure!
    Talking about Big Gov.looking over your shoulder today,wait till they know where you've been, what you're doing,(and with whom)how much you're actually spending and earning etc!
    What about the black market that will prosper under this pipe dream,will make the black market of WW2, look like lemonade stand run by a 5 year-old?
    CK,start asking real questions about the bad side of this, pie-in-the-sky pipe dream,proposed by a 62 year old carnival-barker type huckster!

  • Fred Lemson

    CK,
    Your second paragraph says it all!I wasn’t insulting your intelligence,as it is obvious you have very little, or none at all! Talk about “Blind Faith” in a government that can’t even pay the military disabled on time,one that runs on secrecy and black ops! You’re the Posterboy for those who are jumping on this bandwagon,one that’s that’s loaded with dynamite and heading off a cliff!
    You’re all gung ho about a new tax system, being offered to you by a carnival-barker type huckster,who feeds off the dumb and uninformed,who love being led around, like cattle to slaughter!
    The only way the Fair Tax will work,and have the support of the people is if their monthly checks are delivered to them on time,each and every month, with the correct amount due! That’s it,plain and simple!
    How are you going to like paying somewhere between 27-35 cents,(because it’s not known what the percentage rate actually is) on each and every purchase. Then you wait for months for what-ever amount of rebate, the computer prints out? Each month your check will be different,depending on how much you spend or don’t spend!Call/write boortz and ask what the tax rate is going to be,he doesn’t know,but it will be higher than what he says for sure!
    Talking about Big Gov.looking over your shoulder today,wait till they know where you’ve been, what you’re doing,(and with whom)how much you’re actually spending and earning etc!
    What about the black market that will prosper under this pipe dream,will make the black market of WW2, look like lemonade stand run by a 5 year-old?
    CK,start asking real questions about the bad side of this, pie-in-the-sky pipe dream,proposed by a 62 year old carnival-barker type huckster!

  • Ashford Schwall

    Cpl. Frank,
    Sorry I meant:
    What is left of the IRS AND SS administration should have “NO TROUBLE” doing this.
    In other words, the SS admin is used to sending out checks. AND with help from un-needed IRS workers, they would be fine.
    Ashford Schwall aschwall@comcast.net

  • Ashford Schwall

    Cpl. Frank,
    Sorry I meant:
    What is left of the IRS AND SS administration should have “NO TROUBLE” doing this.
    In other words, the SS admin is used to sending out checks. AND with help from un-needed IRS workers, they would be fine.
    Ashford Schwall aschwall@comcast.net

  • Fred Lemson

    Ashford Schwall,
    What's going to happen to the S.S. Administration?
    Are you implying that the S S Administration is also going to be disbanded, along with the IRS, if the Fair Tax is made the Law of the Land?

  • Fred Lemson

    Ashford Schwall,
    What’s going to happen to the S.S. Administration?
    Are you implying that the S S Administration is also going to be disbanded, along with the IRS, if the Fair Tax is made the Law of the Land?

  • CK

    Fred:

    I can only say one thing: ROFL!!

    If everything you stand for is rooted in anger and childish insults then I know I must be on the correct side. Thanks for clearing that up.

    LOL!! I'm going to laugh at your post for a looooooooooooooong time.

  • CK

    Fred:

    I can only say one thing: ROFL!!

    If everything you stand for is rooted in anger and childish insults then I know I must be on the correct side. Thanks for clearing that up.

    LOL!! I’m going to laugh at your post for a looooooooooooooong time.

  • Fred Lemson

    CK,
    So when I ask a few questions you won't or can't answer,You roll around on the floor?
    What does “Rooted in anger,and childish insults” have to do with asking questions,legitimate ones, about how the monthly checks are going to be processed,mailed out to over many millions of people,monthly,on time,and for the right amount?
    When you stop rolling around on the floor laughing,how about answering my questions?
    Who is going to process, mail out these monthly checks on time, with correct amounts,to every single person who files a statement each month?
    Second Question;How does this Flash-in-the-Plan Fair Tax boondoggle,help take “Big Gov”,out of our lives,and who's in charge of it?
    Third; What is the percentage rate that everyone will be paying?
    Fourth;When was the last time the IRS had too many workers?
    That's all for the time being,wouldn't want to take you away from rolling around on the floor ,laughing!
    Simple questions,simple answers!

  • Fred Lemson

    CK,
    So when I ask a few questions you won’t or can’t answer,You roll around on the floor?
    What does “Rooted in anger,and childish insults” have to do with asking questions,legitimate ones, about how the monthly checks are going to be processed,mailed out to over many millions of people,monthly,on time,and for the right amount?
    When you stop rolling around on the floor laughing,how about answering my questions?
    Who is going to process, mail out these monthly checks on time, with correct amounts,to every single person who files a statement each month?
    Second Question;How does this Flash-in-the-Plan Fair Tax boondoggle,help take “Big Gov”,out of our lives,and who’s in charge of it?
    Third; What is the percentage rate that everyone will be paying?
    Fourth;When was the last time the IRS had too many workers?
    That’s all for the time being,wouldn’t want to take you away from rolling around on the floor ,laughing!
    Simple questions,simple answers!

  • Ashford Schwall

    Fred,
    “Ashford Schwall,
    What’s going to happen to the S.S. Administration?
    Are you implying that the S S Administration is also going to be disbanded, along with the IRS, if the Fair Tax is made the Law of the Land?”
    No not at all. I am implying that the SS admin knows how to send out monthly checks. The FairTax would boost the overall intake of SS.

  • Ashford Schwall

    Fred,
    “Ashford Schwall,
    What’s going to happen to the S.S. Administration?
    Are you implying that the S S Administration is also going to be disbanded, along with the IRS, if the Fair Tax is made the Law of the Land?”
    No not at all. I am implying that the SS admin knows how to send out monthly checks. The FairTax would boost the overall intake of SS.

  • Fred Lemson

    Ashford,
    You still haven't answered my question,which Government Agency will be used to collect,and distribute everyone's monthly check?
    If you think that Big Brother knows too much about you today,wait until they can track your spending habits,where you are at any given time,of the day,or night!
    What happens for the first 4 or 5 years,while Big Brother is working out the kinks in this massive money shuffle,invasion of privacy by Government decree,that you don't get squat back,but you're paying 27-35% extra on every single purchase you make?
    Aren't you aware of now what happens to your tax dollars that is sent to Washington,it's spent before it gets there? Just wait till the Congess get's hold of increased revenue, by this Pie-in-the-Sky Pipe Dream!

  • Fred Lemson

    Ashford,
    You still haven’t answered my question,which Government Agency will be used to collect,and distribute everyone’s monthly check?
    If you think that Big Brother knows too much about you today,wait until they can track your spending habits,where you are at any given time,of the day,or night!
    What happens for the first 4 or 5 years,while Big Brother is working out the kinks in this massive money shuffle,invasion of privacy by Government decree,that you don’t get squat back,but you’re paying 27-35% extra on every single purchase you make?
    Aren’t you aware of now what happens to your tax dollars that is sent to Washington,it’s spent before it gets there? Just wait till the Congess get’s hold of increased revenue, by this Pie-in-the-Sky Pipe Dream!

  • Fred Lemson

    You might want to check out this article on the Fair Tax;
    factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html

  • Fred Lemson

    You might want to check out this article on the Fair Tax;
    factcheck.org/taxes/unspinning_the_fairtax.html

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