Comments on: “Obsession: What the War on Terror is Really About” (VIDEO)

By: Thoreau Dogood

Thoreau Dogood — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 23:59:24 +0000

M”any have the opinon that Bushâ€™s policies are creating more terrorists and not effectively combating them.” The problem I have with this statement and the “Bush’s shoot first and ask questions later policy” is that they are spins on the truth. Bush does not shoot first…he sat and looked at years of U.N. resolutions against Saddam that had all failed. He looked and saw and oil for food program that was empowering Saddam. He looked and saw that the U.N. was doing exactly what the League of Nations did…all talk and nothing to back it up. He looked and saw Saddam Hussein firing hundreds of missiles at U.S. airplanes in U.N. mandated “no fly” zones. He saw the French, German, and Russian governments making deals with the Saddam for cheap oil in exchange for ending the economic sanctions. He saw Saddam murdering a million Iraqis. He saw that Saddam had invaded his neighbors not once, but twice. He saw that the U.N. was doing the same thing as the League of Nations was doing to stop German, Italian, and Japanese invasions pre-WWII. So he got the U.N. to agree unanimously that if Saddam made one more mistake he must suffer the consequences. He did and the U.N. did nothing so Bush did.
The real issue I have is that Democratic policies during Clinton’s presidency have led us to this point of Jihadist strength. The fact that they were allowed to attack the World Trade Center, the African embassies, and the Cole without any real retribution strengthened their support because they celebrated them as victories. People joined up when the Jihadists had success. The Clinton administration was weak in his response and so that emboldened the Jihadist to think they could win. Then Bush gets into office and 9/11 happens and everyone blames this president of 8 months. The problem I have is that bigbingtheory wants to blame Bush for current problems when alot of the problems come from the implementation of bigbingtheory’s solutions. If Clinton HAD done the things Bush is doing now or something with a little more military oomph…like in the Balkans…Al Gore would have probably won the presidency and 9/11 might not have happened. Remember that Osama started planning 9/11 two years before it took place so he felt he needed to attack America based on U.S. policies that existed during the Clinton presidency.

By: Visitor

Visitor — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:37:31 +0000

me again….
So Please be openminded on both sides in your forum.
Anyway I dont know if a patriotic-nacionalist website is the right place to discuss this sensible matter as patriotisme often makes you forget or not see the possible errors of your own country.

regards

By: Visitor

Visitor — Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:33:33 +0000

The Jihaad hate against America is real an propably the video shows a lot of truth.
Obvious that the mass of the religious extremists are people without a lot of knowledge of the around world.
But this is exactly what almost everyone I know in Europe and Southamerica thinks that a lot of americans lack: The wider view on what happens in the rest of the world (yes, there is one!) an WHY people might hate you.
Violence will produce more violence.

Regards from Europe

By: planck's constant

planck's constant — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 08:18:21 +0000

OK GO – Useless, Worthless, Un-Islamic Entertainme…

If you are a Muslim you will find the following video a complete waste of time since it’s only purpose is to entertain rather than teach how to conduct a Jihad against infidels.
There is no paean to Islam, no exhortations to rape, murder, burn, tort….

By: bigbingtheory

bigbingtheory — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:39:20 +0000

Battsman and LTCPMax,
thank you for your responses. Although I must say you do need a liberal point of view because each of your descriptions is inaccurate. I’ll try to be brief. Battsman, 1st most of us do believe empathy is important. Sun Tzu wrote in the Art of War that you had to know your enemy. I think you confuse a desire for knowledge to better combat those would do us harm with sympathy for them. I’m no pacifist, but I do believe that violence should be the last resort. By “sob and admit it’s our fault” that’s another assumption. Critically analyzing past failures, that includes acknowledging them, to learn from mistakes is prudent. Don’t confuse that with self loathing. I may feel ashamed at my government’s actions at times but I never loathe my country. The rest of your post regarding fundamentalist views and their intolerance, I’m not sure where you came up with those conclusions. Liberal to me stands for liberty for all. That means the government need not care about my religous beliefs or sexuality. Fundamentalism exists over there in the minds of right wing conservative idealogues. It is worse there but it exists here among the same kind of people. Don’t mistake the desire to give a little to avoid armed conflict with caving in to anything.
Max,
You left out Prescott grandpappy Bush who was doing business with the nazi’s when we were at war with them. Ike in his farewell speech warned against and was the first to use the phrase military industrial complex. Truman called it treason and formed commissions to look into it. Recently the Republican controlled house voted against looking into Haliburton’s malfeasance. Shortly after a report surfaces that our government cooked the books to cover up the vast waste of tax payer funds. I’d say it’s a much bigger problem and one more difference here is back then people gave a hoot.
Re: Bush and 9/11 and Bush’s watch.
When Clinton went after Bin Laden he was accused of wagging the dog. By the end of his second term he was having daily briefings regarding al Qaeda and actively spying on camps in Afghanistan. He then explained to President-select Bush that Bin Laden was public enemy #1. Bush assumed control and stopped the CIAs spying on Bin Laden. He rewarded the Taliban for stopping poppy production by giving them millions of our tax dollars. He held no meeting regarding the gathering threat he had been thoroughly warned about including by his own terrorism expert Richard Clarke. He was handed a memo that clearly outlined the desire by Bin Laden to attack us and he chose to ignore it.
While sitting in front of a group kids not acting planes were turning in the sky, Norad sat grounded, and I can only imagine that he must of had a pretty good idea at what had just happened and who was responsible. 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch and he has been exploiting it for political purposes ever since. A real President would have been to turn to the children and say the President has something he needs to attend to and then attend to it. As John Kerry once said.

By: LTCPMax

LTCPMax — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 16:53:54 +0000

Dear Mr BBT:

I read the chain of comments/postings/emails…and of all your statements and spinning recollections of recent history…I would like to comment on your following statement:
“Let me remind you that 9/11 happened on Bushâ€™s watch. The greatest attack on our soil happened while Bush sat in a classroom staring like a deer in the head lights. Do you think Reagan or Truman would have done that? Do you think maybe Eisenhower who railed against war profiteering and the military industrial complex would recognize his Republican party? No I imagine Ike would beat the tar out of Bush.”

9-11 happened on BUSH’s watch. Yes, correct. A plot that at current estimates took 4+ years to plan and organize was fulfilled 9 months into the term of the new President. So, I will assign, using your perspective, proportionate responsiblity of about 19% to the Bush administration for not detecting and stopping an attack on our soil, using previously unseen weapon and tactics. That leaves about 81% taht would be attributed to the previous wonderful administration.

the attack happened “while Bush sat in a classroom staring like a deer in the head lights.” Funny, but that is a rather nasty and cruel interpretation of a short video clip.
Did you consider that what was whispered into his ear was “an airliner has hit the WTC, we are working to determine if it was accidental, but right now, the Secret Service says the best thing to do is stay here for several minutes while we get more information and can make some plans, Sir.” I saw a President sitting, trying to to alarm a room full of children as well as an army of press reporters, until he had more facts. Of course he looked shocked, I think we all did. BUT: my preference is for a leader that sits for a moment and thinks, digests information, and then responds. You would seem to advocate that the proper action for the President would be to have dashed madly from the classroom, without detailed facts or information, serving then to look like a man that panics as soon as he gets alarming news? Yes, I think Truman, Ike, and Reagan would have done the same thing. I was a military officer for 26 yrs before retirement, and can tell you that basic a principle of Executive Crisis management training tends more towards the sit, think, gather data, and THEN react approach. But I guess you would have found fault with either response.

As far as your last comments from that section of your remarks, regarding the military industrial complex and war profiteers. Perhaps you should again read the history aroudn WW1 and WW2. The history of the Kennedy family, Carnegie, and others. There are profits that result from war economies (unfortunate, but true) and because you dont like it or dont like who the company used to employ, is meaningless. Scandals and shoody bookkeeping is not new, it happened in every war and administration. Recently, Haliburton and Bechtel are two huge companies that CAN do things on large scale, and meet the unique needs of a war that is now being fought by armies/navies without the support troops we used to have. There are no army cooks anymore, they are contractors, in part because democratic politicians kept pushing for smaller military forces. But if you want to find fault in that reality, you will, I am sure.

Great of you to think that MSUNDERSTOOD’s website needed your liberal bias input… but in fact, we really don’t. Actually, YOU NEED to read more and probably post less. Have a nice day.

By: xyzgenericid

xyzgenericid — Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:57:16 +0000

This video captures everything that I have been discussing with family and friends for about 6 years now. Its very sad and tragic to see the level of hate that Islamist have for all non-Muslims. I am going to buy the video for certain. The video is telling the absolute truth about Jihad and the world had better wake up. Squabbling over political party is useless, doesn’t matter who you are, what you are, unless you are ready to convert to Islam – because the truth is anyone who doesn’t believe like they do will die. Proud to be and infidel and will die one!

By: battsman

battsman — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:29:41 +0000

I forgot to include – allow the complete destruction of Israel. It must not be allowed to exist, since it’s an affront to all those who, after all, “simply disagree with us.”

And be prepared to have all your Bibles and other Scriptures destroyed. And, for your sake, I hope you’re not gay, since that’s a capital offense (and you think the Christians are bad just because they won’t recognize homosexual marriage, just wait for the radical Islamic Sharia laws).

Finally, our women need to stop offending these people – stop showing your ankles and wrists, much less your cleavage and your faces. And we need to remove your right to vote, sorry, since it offends those who are simply “disagreeing with us.” In fact, one of the horrible things they hate about the West (and we simply must understand their anger) is that we allow women so many rights, including appearing in public and not having daily beatings from their husbands.

And “honor” killings will have to be allowed, of course.

Yep, I think I now know the liberal plan. Basically, acquiesce and realize our “opposition” is right and we’re wrong.

By: battsman

battsman — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:23:02 +0000

I understand the liberal view. First, understand the anger of those who hate us. Second, sob and admit that it’s all our fault. In fact, all the evil in the world is the fault of the Judeo-Christian West (never mind the nagging facts). Third, give them land. And more land. And yet more land. And money. And weapons. And then more land.

Eventually, when they have a world-wide Caliphate, they just might quit killing those of us still alive, and instead just look down on us in disdain as subclasses.

Of course, I’ll be considered an elitist bigot for saying such, but I have missionary friends in Indonesia, and others now in the Congo (after they spent a great deal of time in Morocco). I’ll take their experiences over the comfy couch opinions of American liberals any day.

By: MsUnderestimated

MsUnderestimated — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:40:05 +0000

And to be fair, I want to post BBT’s email response for assuming I blocked him.

“Thank you for the info and accept my apologies for assuming the worst.

Bing,”

No problem, Bing… it happens.